let's talk about that, how would such a roadmap look like? Can you give me an example, maybe point me to a site that looks like that?
I don't know that I know an example, but I also don't think it is very complicated. Think in terms of a series of bulleted items in the logical order that you might expect people to look at them if they were new to Progress. Perhaps there are nested bullets for the videos one per piece. Each "bullet" has a keyword associated with it to catch the eye like "Watch" and "Try". For each bullet there is a short desciption and a set of links. The links are Read More, Download Now, Requirements. The description includes a mention of how long it should take. The Download Now says how big it is. The Read More link goes to a page with more info which probably includes the requirements.
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yep, we're thinking along the same lines.
Any additional ideas or samples, let me know...
And a development license for Java (Eclipse, vi, or emacs) is free. So is Microsoft's Visual Studio Express.Neither have a 60 day time limit.
And a development license for Java (Eclipse, vi, or emacs) is free. So is Microsoft's
Visual Studio Express.
Neither have a 60 day time limit.
Assuming this isn't a good cop bad cop routine or something else.
Just this little thing could make alot of peoples life so much eaiser and change their attitude towards this company.
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How about a fully-functional Provision, that only works with "demo" stand-alone db's, not with stock PSC db's?
This way people could put the code through it's paces in a stand-alone environment, and when they want to go multi-user or use standard PSC db's, they could purchase the 'real' product.
What would distinguish a "demo" DB?
And a development license for Java (Eclipse, vi, or
emacs) is free. So is Microsoft's
Visual Studio Express.Neither have a 60 day time limit.
Assuming this isn't a good cop bad cop routine orsomething else.
Assuming this isn't a good cop bad cop routine or
Gus is always the good cop
And, if I gave you the impression that I think that the 60 days evaluations is the answer to everything I did a poor job. The Evaluation Kit has a specific purpose but if you now want to start evaluating and learning OE 10 (and don't have a license you can upgrade or PSDN subscription), we do have the Evaluation Kit.
Just this little thing could make alot of peopleslife so much eaiser and change their attitude towardsthis company.
Just this little thing could make alot of peoples
life so much eaiser and change their attitude towards
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I have to say that you and the talks I've had with some of the guys in Progress or that have worked in Progress have been very refreshing, professional and encouraging.
But for one you've got a trigger happy forum admin that really puts off someone from participating, helping etc. I've found that the people who are most out spoken are usually the ones who are the most, invested, passionate and knowledgeable and have to most offer, and I have always found that forums who aren't controlled (especially about what opinions they'd like and what opinions they wouldn't ?!) are much better, unless they start getting violent, and even then, things just have a way of working themselves out and again they usually involve the people who are the most passionate and invested.
Although not everyone agrees, I think that we have alot to offer and if the company wouldn't fight against us and treat us like freeloaders we would be the ones pushing it to our universities (we could certainly take care of all o/s, networking, database etc. setup maybe even better then tech support), use it for projects, participate in forums and the community, and to our clients over other languages (like I said, a few thousand bucks have never really been a problem to any clients I've worked for). Just give us a chance.
Your recent posts were deleted because they did not comply with PSDN standards. As per my previous email, it is my job is to ensure that the PSDN forums provide a constructive collaborative environment that encourages all members of the Progress community to interact and share their knowledge and experiences in a positive and encouraging way.
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OK, sometimes it's easy to forget that you're talking about real people and not a big faceless corporation.
IMVHO even if this is a very professional type forum, a single maybe private warning would be more appropriate and would work better.
It was nice talking to you, bye for now