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  • So we are paying top dollar for a PSDN Premier SDK that includes everything (edit: ...we need to do our development work) except the Ultra Controls. And we have to pay an additional $675 extra per user. I must say I am a bit disappointed...

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    Simon de Kraa

  • Is it true, that the UltraControls from Progress can only be used within OpenEdge Developer?

    Also, the Infragistics NetAdvantage Controls include:

    "This product includes all controls, subscription services, updates, upgrades and new product releases for one year and C# source code for all Windows Forms and WPF controls and designers."

    Sourcecode sounds interesting, right?

    AFAIK Infragistics does not offer product updates or a maintenance contract. So you need to renew the purchase every year to stay current. That's something you need to consider as well.

    I asked PSC Cologne for confirmation if I really need to buy the controls and if so, for a quote. They could not give me a statement yet. It would at least be nice to know the real status on this.

  • includes everything except the Ultra Controls.

    I wish. There are a lot of other PSC products which it should include too, but that isn't appropriate to this thread.

    Consulting in Model-Based Development, Transformation, and Object-Oriented Best Practice  http://www.cintegrity.com

  • Is it true, that the UltraControls from Progress can only be used within OpenEdge Developer?

    From what I think I remember hearing previously, the limitation is that they are licensed only for use with ABL applications, i.e., it is a violation of the license to use them with a .NET front end. For that, you would need to go to Infragistics. But, if you wanted to do the code development without OEA, I can't see that being controlled.

    Source code might sound interesting to you, but I'd rather not get anywhere near it!

    If Infragistics doesn't offer updates and maintenance, then it is an interesting question what it is that PSC is selling maintenance on it for. Does Infragistics really come out with a new version once a year and force everyone to buy a new copy with no discount? I can see that for a product that costs $29.95, but not one that costs $675 or $995.

    I have been told that if one buys the controls from PSC, then one can call PSC for support, but if one buys from Infragistics, one can't. Of course, one might wonder whether the PSC support will be meaningful on the controls themselves.

    Consulting in Model-Based Development, Transformation, and Object-Oriented Best Practice  http://www.cintegrity.com

  • I have been told that if one buys the controls from

    PSC, then one can call PSC for support, but if one

    buys from Infragistics, one can't. Of course, one

    might wonder whether the PSC support will be

    meaningful on the controls themselves.

    Well, during the beta they have already been quite good! (Thank you guys, if you are reading this).

    And never the less, they don't need to be top experts, but as long as they deal with interoperability issues - then they have to get back to Infragistics and don't leave us with the fight with to tech support organizations to find the cauch for an issue.

    Sounds like a clear argument for support from PSC!

    But I need facts. I need a price, details about maintenance agreement (and commitment of keeping current with IGs releases) and if they are included in the PSDN shipment or not to make a decision.

  • No having a PSDN subscription, I am in a slightly different position. Order has been placed ...

  • To be sure, I can see a role for PSC, especially on the interoperability issues, but my question is that one normally pays 18% for maintenance and gets both tech support and entitlement to free upgrades.

    Consulting in Model-Based Development, Transformation, and Object-Oriented Best Practice  http://www.cintegrity.com

  • Yes - that's what counts. For all kind of "how to" questions, you can use the Infragistics forum free of any charge.

  • I like the expiration date!

    Product Name: OE Ultra Controls .NET

    Installation Date: Thu Nov 20 18:27:11 2008

    User Limit: 1

    Expiration Date: 12/31/2010

    Version Number: 10.2A

    Machine Class: KB

    Port Number: 31

  • Why do you like that it even has an expiration date? No other PSC licenses do, except eval ones. Unless, of course, that was the expiration date for the free trial in the SDK.

    Consulting in Model-Based Development, Transformation, and Object-Oriented Best Practice  http://www.cintegrity.com

  • Doesn't this mean I can use the 30-Day trial a bit longer than that? (edit: only technically speaking of course... )

    OT: My PSDN license has an expiration date... At least for the 10.2A PSDN update it does...

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    Simon de Kraa

  • I guess not... See attachment...

  • So, this expiration date was for the 30 day free trial? That would be super! I get that the SDK has an expiration date since it is a subscription ... our own version of SaaS.

    Consulting in Model-Based Development, Transformation, and Object-Oriented Best Practice  http://www.cintegrity.com

  • That's curious. So, if one is a compulsive programmer that works through weekends ... not that there is anyone like that on this board .... it isn't even a 30 day trial.

    Consulting in Model-Based Development, Transformation, and Object-Oriented Best Practice  http://www.cintegrity.com

  • Yes, it's a 30-day trial with an expiration date of 31/12/2010 that will expire after 20 usage day(s) or 10 calendar weeks...