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What about consultant partners?

  • >> I'm willing to spend serious money on an appropriate license. PSC, however, hasn't

    >> shown any interest in taking my money.

    >

    I assume this refers to limiting a PSDN subscription to partners? If so, I agree

    with you completely on that score. At the very worst they should have some

    kind of consulting partner program which merely vets that you are seriously

    using the tools to entitle you to participate. Maybe you should start a new

    thread on that topic and I could agree with you!

    Here's your big chance!

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    Tom Bascom
    tom@wss.com

  • Well, I guess I've already said I agree with you, so that is a bit redundant. In fact, I would go a little farther.

    First step, the least that should be done, is to create a consultant partner program. There is one person who tells me they are a consultant partner, but I see no current evidence of their being such a program. Qualifying as a consultant partner should entitle one to PSDN participation and there should be cooperation opportunities.

    The next step is to ask why PSDN is restricted at all, except from using any of the components in a commerical operation for production? What a great way to get copies of everything into a customer so that they can try it out. Then, when they find out that AppServer or whatever is a useful technology, having been able to do a pilot project, then they buy in for licenses.

    Consulting in Model-Based Development, Transformation, and Object-Oriented Best Practice  http://www.cintegrity.com

  • I agree.

    Let's be clear though that the "PSDN" in question is the "PSDN Premier" subscription. Not merely access to publically available resources such as these forums.

    If there is actually such a thing as a "consulting partner" I'd certainly like to know more about it. And I'd be very curious to know why it is being kept secret.

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    Tom Bascom
    tom@wss.com

  • PSDN Premier or Professional Subscriptions are available to APs, system integrators and consultants.

  • PSDN Premier or Professional Subscriptions are

    available to APs, system integrators and consultants.

    That's great news!

    1) When did that start?

    2) Where do I sign up?

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    Tom Bascom
    tom@wss.com

  • This has been available since PSDN launched.

    Regards

    Kristen

  • No it hasn't.

    I have been told repeatedly by sales people as well as by fairly highly placed executives that PSDN Premier is not available to anyone other than APs. I have actually tried to buy it you know. If that has changed it is a new, and welcome, change.

    If PSDN Premier is, in fact, available to consultants then I would appreciate some details regarding how one obtains it because the obvious methods have not, to date, been effective.

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    Tom Bascom
    tom@wss.com

  • My mistake. PSDN Professional is available to APs, Consultants and System Ingraters. Its true that Premier is not available only due to the fact that 99% of these smaller APs, SIs and Cs don't need to buy a Premier license (5 user).

    We created the Professional (1 user) to accomidate the smaller customers and the lower cost. I would like to know the reasons a consultant would be interested in purchasing a Premier subscription. This will help me evaluate the need and consider expanding the offering in the future.

    If you've been denied the Premier license, this is the reason. You certainly could buy a Professional license. However, you would need to talk to your sales rep. You should understand how they are classifing you in our system. Under the company name: Greenfield Tech, I have you as an direct end-user, which cannot purchase the subscription at this time. Again, I highly suggest you contact your sales account rep for further details.

    Regards

    Kristen

  • Thanks for the clarification.

    I've been poking around a bit too.

    It seems that on June 30th 2006 there was a quiet announcement (result #7 when you search for "partner" + "consultant") regarding the creation of the Professional subscription (apparently on April 2nd 2002). I certainly never heard a peep about it until just now and nobody ever offered it as an alternative.

    As for why I would want "Premier" rather than "Professional":

    1) The obvious bit about never having heard that "Professional" exists

    2) The education coupons, the library CD and the CBTs all seem like things that I would want to have.

    3) I don't know what the price difference is so I cannot say if the difference in features is worth paying more.

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    Tom Bascom
    tom@wss.com

  • Well, you'd be happy to know that with the 2007.1 release (Dec) we are expanding the Professional Subscription to include education along with other new changes.

    The cost of the yearly subscription is:

    Premier: $7500 USD

    Professional: $2995 USD

    $1500 each additional user

    You can get additional information about the PSDN subscriptions by simply clicking on the icon from the main page or this url:

    http://www.psdn.com/library/entry.jspa?externalID=1022&categoryID=1

    Regards

    Kristen

    Message was edited by:

    Kristen Howell

  • Excellent! Thank you.

    I've contacted the "account manager" whose name was printed on my name tag at the innovation roadshow. I'll keep the thread up to date with my progress.

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    Tom Bascom
    tom@wss.com

  • This sounds very promissing with respect to the issues regarding PSDN. While I agree that it would be rare for a consultant to buy Premier, I don't see any reason not to make it available.

    Still, I think the idea of consultant partners is a good one independent of the PSDN access.

    Consulting in Model-Based Development, Transformation, and Object-Oriented Best Practice  http://www.cintegrity.com

  • The partner program manager is aware of the idea proposed. They will respond when the can.

    As far as Premier being avaible to Consultants and SIs, I will certainly look into this as an option. When the team first introduced the professional subscription it was because of the smaller AP feedback with regards to the cost of the Premier and user count not needed. With the smaller customers not interested in Premier it wasn't a thought to even expand this offering to the them.

    Again, I will keep the open as an option for the future.

    Regards

    Kristen

  • BTW, I will also repeat here the suggestion I have made elsewhere of adding a forum on PSDN for partners. This would be a great way to exchange thoughts about business issues in a much more inclusive way than occurs now.

    Consulting in Model-Based Development, Transformation, and Object-Oriented Best Practice  http://www.cintegrity.com

  • Well I've heard back from my account manager...

    Hi Tom,

    The PSDN Premier and Professional memberships are sold to application

    partners. Your account is coded a direct end user account. We do have

    available the standard online PSDN membership.

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    Tom Bascom
    tom@wss.com